Why Electric Bikes are More Dangerous than Motorcycles

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More fun, more speed and less effort. E-bikes seem like a no-brainer. But not so fast. These innocent little electric bicycles are a lot closer to motorcycles than pedal bikes when it comes to injury rates.
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  • Alternatively, if you don't want to pay for motorcycle insurance, slap some fairings on an e-bike, get one of those noisy fake exhausts and wear motorcycle gear.

    RicardoRicardo53 minuuttia sitten
  • In the UK pedal assist cuts out at 15mph. So the data is a little off when looking at UK data. In the US its 20mph, that's quite a difference. If I ride my ebike over 15.5mph then I am actually no different to a standard pedal cycle which makes some of the points in the vid null and void. What is shocking is that in the UK the wearing of a crash helmet is not a legal requirement.

    Mikey WattsMikey Watts14 tuntia sitten
  • If they built protected bike lanes, E-bike accidents would be much less.

    Sbl17Sbl1722 tuntia sitten
  • Cyclists should also have licenses because they also travel on roads which all other vehicles travel.

  • "BuT iM sAvIng tHe EnvIroNmeNt!!!"

    MickeyDeeMickeyDeePäivä sitten
  • It doesn't matter if your bike has a motor, even bicycles can reach breakneck speeds on downhill trails and roads. If you're not an adrenaline junky and you act as though everybody is trying to murder you whenever you're sharing the road with motor-vehicles you're going to be fine.

    Parker BoyceParker Boyce2 päivää sitten
  • Data is inconclusive regarding incident rates for specific modalities of participation. Contributing factors might include inexperience of participants (newly cycling due to lower perceived effort and cycling beyond abilities and/or without consideration for environment), increasing use of over-powered 'ebikes' more accurately be described as 'e-motorcycles with pedals', and therefore lacking adequate braking, platform stability, user-competence and/or use of appropriate clothing/PPE for speeds travelled. Also, be careful when reviewing deaths by participant base by country; these do not track proportionally for well established reasons. For example, Australia and UK have far higher rate of death by base than NL or Denmark but with far smaller participant bases. This is largely due to weak enforcement of liability for less vulnerable roads users (drivers) and resulting lower awareness of more vulnerable road users due to reduction in perceived consequences. This creates an environment where participation tends more towards performance (inherently higher risk) than utility. Compounding factors are enforced helmet use (in Australia), further reducing participation and therefore further qualifying specific modalities. NL, with significant cycling infrastructure has similar death rate to Denmark, with far less dedicated infrastructure. Neither enforce use of helmets or other PPE but both share a legislative environment where cyclists and more vulnerable road users are prioritised over the less vulnerable (drivers). Add weak legislative environments and consequential risks to rapid increase in inexperienced participants and you start to see factors compounding each other. Complex situations that have relatively simple solutions but which require political will to act on. That went on a bit didn't it. Sorry

    Peter ShawPeter Shaw3 päivää sitten
  • I always keep saying this: if you're riding a motorcycle, or even so if you're riding a bike, look out for every car on the road! Doesn't matter if you're righr or wrong in a certain situation, if the car hits you, you're the one who will get hurt. Be careful out there.

    GrimmrokGrimmrok3 päivää sitten
  • 2:48 "Anecdotal evidence is only evidence of an anecdote." ..deep

    Jack BalitokJack Balitok4 päivää sitten
  • Cars are more dangerous than any type of bike.

    David FraserDavid Fraser4 päivää sitten
  • In Belgium and most EU countries there's a distinction between e-bikes and high speed e-bikes. Regular e-bikes only go 25km/h whereas high speed bikes go up to 45km/h. A high speed e-bike needs to have lights on at all times, has brake lights, has a mirror, requires an approved helmet, has a registered license plate, AND requires a car or motorcycle license to drive. I drive both my high speed e-bike and motorcycle regularly. But feel much safer on my motorcycle tbh.

    MatvaNaborMatvaNabor4 päivää sitten
  • e-Bikes biggest problem is not requiring licensing and complete disregard for legal road use, most cyclist completely ignore all rules of the road.

    Zach TZach T4 päivää sitten
  • poor visibility lmao this is garbage

    SudoJimSudoJim4 päivää sitten
  • booooo hooo hoooo

    SudoJimSudoJim4 päivää sitten
  • Ebike is a motorcycle. Very shoddy construction motorcycle.

    Anna PlojharováAnna Plojharová4 päivää sitten
  • Or just, get a car....

    Kebab ChiKebab Chi5 päivää sitten
  • So the problem isn't e bikes but people's reckless driving. On an e bike and vehicles.

    TorchedPhoenixTorchedPhoenix5 päivää sitten
    • There's also laws in many places restricting the speed of e bikes without a driver's license. If it goes faster than class 2 e bikes it needs to be registered under insurance and a driver's license is needed.

      TorchedPhoenixTorchedPhoenix5 päivää sitten
  • 4,000+ miles on by e-bike and counting. Not one incident so far. I've had several close calls where motorists have almost killed me, but no more than when I was pedal powered. You shared a news report highlighting irresponsible e-cyclists doing all the same things we cyclists are regularly demonized for, but the vast majority of cyclists, like me, are safe and considerate road users, and the vast majority of injuries to them are caused by unsafe, irresponsible motorists, often with the kind of arrogant, blinkered attitude that simply doesn't give bikes any right to exist on "their" roads. My point is, in spite of that tiny minority of mainly teenage boys (who tend to behave like that whatever they ride) the vast majority of e-bike users are not a danger to themselves or others, and it is almost always complacent motorists who cause the accidents, so where's all the videos cautioning drivers about their frequent risky behaviours endangering the lives of other road users?

    Joes WebPresenceJoes WebPresence5 päivää sitten
  • In the UK personal light electric vehicles are currently undesirable and basically illegal. This is pretty ridiculous. What will happen in the long term is that we will segregate heavy vehicles and light vehicles, just like we segregate pedestrian and vehicle traffic. In holland they allow mopeds in cycle lanes, and as a pedestrian you really need to watch out for those. I have been hit by one - but thankfully it was so underpowered everybody walked away.

    WeareallbeingwatchedWeareallbeingwatched5 päivää sitten
  • Lots of cherry-picking studies and biased explanations that fail to take into account the full picture.

    Simp SimpsSimp Simps5 päivää sitten
  • e bikes can go on dedicated bicycle lanes, my old place used to have a bicycle lane that ran along some train tracks and not along a road.

    Collin yanCollin yan5 päivää sitten
  • You make points that do not really pertain to the comparison between e-bikes and motorcycles. What you’ve shown is that e bikes should be treated as motorcycles. You also don’t really read the motorcycles injuries/death correctly

    animalamuanimalamu6 päivää sitten
  • Well you need common sense when driving any vehicle. You gotta slow down when you’re about to cross a junction, you’re not suppose to be on phone when driving, you gotta have some compassion on your own life to live without fractures. It’s all a matter of being responsible. An e-bicycle is a great piece of tech, please don’t devalue it with people who don’t use it properly.

    Ramanan TRamanan T6 päivää sitten
  • "Motorcycles are more dangerous" "Yes, but you know e-bikes are more.." "Motor. Cycles. MOTOrized biCYCLES.. e-bike is a motorcycle.. "

    TimTim6 päivää sitten
  • You should compile a soundtrack of all the music you use in all your videos!

    Lim HLim H7 päivää sitten
  • I have been riding my e-bike for about 8-10 months and I treat it as a motorcycle. I use leather gloves, back and front light, I’ve fitted a bag to the rear rack which has reflective strips on the sides, the tires have a reflective stipe all through the circumference and I will be fitting a cheap mirror from wish (had it on my pedal bike and that saved my ass a couple times when overcoming a buss that stopped). How I ride my bike? Always keep the left (uk) When riding close to cars parked on the side of the road I keep distance, about the distance of an opened door (car drives hate me for that but my safety comes first) and I do that because it happened that I nearly got hit by a guy that didn’t look for bikes while opening the door, luckily there was no traffic behind me so managed to dodge the door and not get hit by a car. I always stop by a red light

    Fernando FaiolamendesFernando Faiolamendes8 päivää sitten
  • thanks you just made fell very safe to ride my e-bike

    Fernando FaiolamendesFernando Faiolamendes8 päivää sitten
  • Throw in entitled Vancouverites on a bicycle and you’ve got a great recipe for altercations and accidents.

    BonnieDoon84BonnieDoon848 päivää sitten
  • Any slow vehicle on public road is a safety hazard to itself and other road user.

    Wong Tik KiWong Tik Ki8 päivää sitten
  • Regarding people riding recklessly on a ebike, assuming typical speed controls (motor assist cutout around 15-20mph and when brakes are engaged), I don't think that differs much from people on normal bikes: lack of consistent regulations, culture, and infrastructure are an impetus for it, not the motor. Those speed caps are fairly easy for someone to achieve with e-assist on flat pavement (although I'm very interested as to how an ebike changes the forces and physics of a collision and can see ebike collisions being stronger). I think the bigger issue is that ebikes are rapidly expanding who has access to cycling, which includes the young, old, and inexperienced. Introducing those demographics can increase reckless cycling and have cyclists that are more likely to be injured.

    Marc LincerMarc Lincer9 päivää sitten
  • These videos make for excellent talking points and as usual the level of production from Ryan and the film crew and editors is 2nd to none

    Jonathan DaviesJonathan Davies9 päivää sitten
    • I agree with you and welcome to my channel about cars

      Covert GarageCovert Garage9 päivää sitten
  • I sell e bikes where I work here in the uk along with e scooters. I've used Ryan's points in these videos to try and explain why my motorcycle and all my training is sincerely safer than these alternatives.

    Jonathan DaviesJonathan Davies9 päivää sitten
  • I had to duck to dodge this guy's massive chin only to have his ears knock me off my chair!

    Joshua HarrisonJoshua Harrison9 päivää sitten
  • I’d say that the same goes for electric scooters. Not as similar to motorcycles as an e-bike but definitely more popular and equally dangerous with unqualified people riding them on the roads

    Gabriel SerengheuGabriel Serengheu10 päivää sitten
    • Right! So you're welcome to my video blog about cars.

      Covert GarageCovert Garage9 päivää sitten
  • Silent like the deadly Prius...

    Dr. Hugo G. HackenbushDr. Hugo G. Hackenbush10 päivää sitten
  • Who tf puts a dropper post on that bike and then chooses that saddle ?! Honestly, to a MTBer, commuter bikes are so weird looking

    Ruaridh WhiteheadRuaridh Whitehead10 päivää sitten
  • People should think they're more like motorcycles than bicycled.

    my first crappy video Billymy first crappy video Billy10 päivää sitten
  • No friends, neither both. Cars are dangerous

    VakooAbi GGVakooAbi GG10 päivää sitten
    • @VakooAbi GG LOL

      Kartik KKartik K9 päivää sitten
    • @Covert Garage no thanks, i have no interest

      VakooAbi GGVakooAbi GG9 päivää sitten
    • I agree with you and welcome to my channel about cars

      Covert GarageCovert Garage9 päivää sitten
  • Here’s a tip... if you want to cycle... do it right... don’t get an ebike. Might as well get a road scooter for the price.

    ManedWolfMonarchManedWolfMonarch10 päivää sitten
    • I agree with you and welcome to my channel about cars

      Covert GarageCovert Garage9 päivää sitten
  • Yall go, 60kmh on Ebikes there????? We can only go 25

    Damien ZijlstraDamien Zijlstra10 päivää sitten
    • I agree with you and welcome to my channel about cars

      Covert GarageCovert Garage9 päivää sitten
  • It isn't the e-bike that is dangerous, but it are the rules, infrastructure and education that are dangerous. In many countries, people aren't used to bikes on the road and especially not on e-bikes. As tgat the people that ride them, are also not wel educated in how to ride safe, makes it very dangerous. Funny that people still think that a bike helmet will protect them ad such high speeds, against cars!

    Sky manSky man10 päivää sitten
  • Oh right... it’s not the bicycle that is dangerous, it’s people riding them and their actions while riding. Got’cha 👍

    MarkoMarko10 päivää sitten
  • Motorcycle is a motor driven cycle. E bikes have electric motors. Im ok with licensing, registration and insurance like motorcycles.

    joshua morinjoshua morin10 päivää sitten
  • Why Electric Bikes are More Dangerous than Motorcycles ? Poor Use.

    Pierre CPierre C11 päivää sitten
  • 👍👍

    Gacheru MburuGacheru Mburu11 päivää sitten
  • @4:58 how does riding my Harley at 120mph make me an asshole? waving my AR-rifle would make me an asshole... the real assholes are those slowing traffic in the left lane.

    Johnny the MenaceJohnny the Menace11 päivää sitten
  • I can't wait to switch to an ebike. I'm going to wear my motorcycle gear.

    kyle McBurnettkyle McBurnett12 päivää sitten
  • motorcycle license x 20+ yrs, Ebike since last year.... interesting discussion.... how did you get that ebike up to 60+kph in Canada?

    Peter ChangPeter Chang12 päivää sitten
  • I teach elementary kids biking safety at school. You hit one point home about cars looking for cars. Bicycles are the last thing they are looking for. Defensive riding and proper fitting helmets are my big rule. How many people don't know how to wear a helmet properly is scary.

    Bee BobBee Bob12 päivää sitten
    • @wifelikecow I used to bike a lot. To work, the store, etc. How many close calls I had with cars.

      Bee BobBee Bob10 päivää sitten
    • Was nearly hit by a truck, of all places, coming out of a school parking lot. I was indeed looking for stupid drivers, but apparently this one found me. Ironically, my bike was safety vest yellow. hard to miss...or not. 2 Years working as a flagger has taught me that people in cars just barely glance to see because time and time again I have dealt with people who said I needed to put out signs so they know something was happening ahead; the kicker? I did. They completely missed the four 36''x36'' R.O.B.F signs completely. Point is, definitely watch for yourself, because they aren't. Sorry 'bout flipping the script midway through. PS: for those curious *Road Work Ahead, One Lane Road Ahead, Be Prepared To Stop, Flagger (sometimes literally just the symbol, which is a stick guy holding a flag)

      wifelikecowwifelikecow10 päivää sitten
  • im a small indie company, that plans on making a fast and long range e-bike, thanks for the video i will recomend users that buy my products to get more protective gear, and i will equipt the bikes with more reflective and better lights and blinkers too. Thanks and sorry for my English

    WildcatWildcat12 päivää sitten
  • I just wanna know where to get his gear but the video was informative thank you

    Marcelus BakerMarcelus Baker12 päivää sitten
  • I can only afford cycle (A cheap one)

    Md Omar Faruk parvezMd Omar Faruk parvez12 päivää sitten
  • What are these "kilometers" you speak of??? hahaha lovin this channel!

    malcorubmalcorub12 päivää sitten
  • You missed the most important issue, you failed to identify what an ebike is. An ebike, Class-1 ebike is a Low-Speed Electric Bike (LSEB) as defined in the CPSA 02/12/2003 "(b) for purposes of this section, the term “low-speed electric bicycle” means a two- or three-wheeled vehicle with fully operable pedals and an electric motor of less than 750 watts (1 h.p.), whose maximum speed on a paved level surface, when powered solely by such a motor while ridden by an operator who weighs 170 pounds, is less than 20 mph.", and is afforded all the rights and access of standard bicyclists. Most of the new ebikes hitting the market are short-range baby electric motorcycles or mopeds Class-2 and 3 ebikes. It's not a problem with the machines it's a problem with the assholes riding the machines aggressively in inappropriate places. I have in excess of 24 thousand miles on my ebike in the past 4 years, over most terrains so Eat Me over your geriatric comment kiddo. Although I have been confined to the couch by injuries several times... once for over a month, but to be honest a bad sneeze can pull something these days. Pretty much the same rules I have learned from riding motorcycles for the past 50 years apply to riding an ebike... "if you're going to ride you are going to fall. If you ride like an asshole you're going to fall more and way harder. " It's NEVER safe to ride a bike around cars or humans driving cars, or moving traffic, regardless of it being a bike or an ebike. Common sense and lots of practice will teach you almost everything you need to know about riding an ebike (LSEB). photos.app.goo.gl/ADgC6oyPM2gyrCq27 fiboth.info/like/videot/gJuQd2up2MOyq6k Stay safe.

    Brian BassettBrian Bassett13 päivää sitten
  • The intro IS best ever


    shamilmegabyteshamilmegabyte13 päivää sitten
  • I'm apart of both communities. Everything he said is solid truth.

    fofordfoford14 päivää sitten
    • @diggler2002 Mine is built and tops out at 50 mph. So that's 80 km/h for Canadians. 🤫

      fofordfoford11 päivää sitten
    • I have both. It is BS. In Canada the motor cuts out at 32km/h.

      diggler2002diggler200211 päivää sitten
  • Maybe something in between like a scooter. I wear the same safety gear, can go up to 60 mph and get 100mpg. I commute daily and for the last 3 years have had no incidents

    ray collinsray collins14 päivää sitten
  • fiboth.info/like/videot/rn9uip7Nl6-1rX8 This, to me, is the biggest issue. "I did not see you" is actually somewhat true. They "saw" you, but you just didn't "register". The moment you start thinking like that, everything changes. That, and idiots on any kind of vehicle. On a bike-like thing, at least they can hurt fewer people.. :-)

    Jurgen TurrekensJurgen Turrekens14 päivää sitten
  • Spot on.

    IRGIRG14 päivää sitten
  • You did not consider an important fact about e-bike use depending on your country. In Europe, they are limited at 25 km/h. In the UK, it's 32km/h. And in the US, their FREEEEEDOOOOOOM goes up to 47 km/h. That makes a huge difference. And we're not even talking about users deregulating their motors to reach higher speeds, sometimes 100 km/h. At some point, you have to blame the user and his (legal) environnment, not the machine.

    Michel Giroux-BurroughsMichel Giroux-Burroughs14 päivää sitten
  • That's why in south east asia where most traffic are consisted with motorcycles, they're required to turn on the head lights even in the day so they're more visible to car drivers. And here the bicycle is somehow gets trending. And most of them riding at night without any light whatsoever. Fucking death wishing hipster

    Angga AditamaAngga Aditama14 päivää sitten
  • I wanted to build a powerful ebike for so long, when I thought about it more, I decided it would be best to build an emoto instead. The frames were built for the power and you are slightly more visible, along with all the safety gear and licensing. Now I have a solid frame to start with!

    Logan VinsonLogan Vinson15 päivää sitten
  • Electicity is for kettles , toaster and homes ! Not for bikes🥴🥴

    Sandro TheumaSandro Theuma15 päivää sitten
  • Great video. I've commuted by bicycle and motorcycle, and out here in the suburbs, I feel MUCH safer on the motorcycle. The roads I ride on have no bike lanes and sometimes not even paved shoulders. Then, the shoulders have broken glass, truck retreads and car parts too. End result is that cyclists going 13 mph share the road with automotive traffic going 60+ mph. 1:15 FYI re. CE approved armor - CE is self-declared by the manufacturer. It means they're claiming they comply with all relevant European regulations. It's not 3rd party verified, like a UL or CSA Listed product.

    Jeremy DJeremy D15 päivää sitten
  • well drive more slow and be more careful in busy roads

    Makarov FoxMakarov Fox15 päivää sitten
  • As someone who 39 years old and never owned a vehicle. I ridden a bicycle my entire life. I've had my fair share of close calls with traffic. I've learned a few things. Don't trust drivers of vehicles to see you. Pay attention to your surroundings. When in doubt of a vehicle drivers intentions stop and wait. Spend $10 on a electric bicycle horn and use it. It has astounded me how many vehicle drivers turning right while looking left. "Bike Rider stop if necessary" Hear that horn and look left directly at me. Then wait for me to cross. Keep your bike in good rideable condition. Use your hand signal. Again, pay attention to your surroundings. This video still has not deterred me from buying my first Ebike.

    MrBluemoonhalosMrBluemoonhalos15 päivää sitten
  • Put a loud electronic horn on your bicycle and use it. They work!

    MrBluemoonhalosMrBluemoonhalos15 päivää sitten
  • Every accident you showed were rider error. I was in a bad motorcycle accident that left me partially paralyzed, and I can't pick up a motorcycle if it falls over. So I built a gas powered motorized bicycle because I did not want to go to a three wheeler, and riding it is no more dangerous than riding a motorcycle. You just have to use common sense, and not ride like an asshole.

    Darryl OwenDarryl Owen16 päivää sitten
  • This dudes whole reasoning is kind of rediculous. HEY GUYS MY INTERNAL COMBUSTION VEHICLE IS LESS DANGEROUS THEN A PEDAL ASSISTED EBIKE. 😂. YOU CANT WEAR ARMOR ON A BIKE. dude I do downhill, ya you do

    Bruce SilversonBruce Silverson16 päivää sitten
  • I always equip lights on my commute, wear a reflective vest and preload brakes near intersectioms, do I look like a dork yes! Am I less likely to die? Probably not.

    Roberts PičukansRoberts Pičukans16 päivää sitten
    • "Am I less likely to die?" - Probably *yes*.

      TecheroTechero14 päivää sitten
  • In several US states high-speed Ebikes are actually classified as mopeds, meaning you do have to have a license to operate them.

    AWriterWanderingAWriterWandering16 päivää sitten
    • Yeah check with local laws. Texas is no speed limit due to loophole (basically 20 mph unless pedaling, so I had an Arduino measure pedal sensor and if pedaling allow motor), so there you could do as fast as the speed limit and there was no power restriction, so if you wanted duel wheel drive with 10 HP each go for it! I made that when I moved from Oklahoma since my gas bikes would need to be tagged (in Oklahoma you could go up to 80cc no power limits and you could run nitrous oxide or anything else you wanted, but it could only do 35 mph or if you went electric the limit was severely limited to 30 mph and only 1kw), so there gas powered was much less restricted and the way to go. It really varies a lot, like I'm moving to Maryland and its pretty $hit in terms of liberties there and no difference on bikes, its written poorly and conflicting but maybe a pitiful 500w? At that point I think just pedal and I can beat it, I can average over 20 mph for hours easy enough just pedaling, so I think such low power would only slow me down.

      Jake GarrettJake Garrett14 päivää sitten
  • Such utter bullshit. Literally ALL of the news clips and examples you showed can be done by an average cyclist. Not wearing helmets, crossing an intersection without looking, being hit by a car, cycling and texting, even riding 30mph(hills do exist you know). Most important distinction, is the agility and overall weight of e-cyclists in comparison to a motorcycle riders. How much does a 50cc moped(35mph max) weigh in comparison to an ebike?

    Ian LIan L16 päivää sitten
  • Its more dangerous if you have to be share the road with cars the entire way. On my precovid e bike commute, 7 km out of 11 km were on paved bike paths.

    inund8inund816 päivää sitten
  • I’ve always thought it is stupid to ride bicycles on the road. There are so many other great places to ride. The road is not one of them. I have both e bikes and motorcycles. I choose wisely where and when I ride them. In heavy traffic, my truck is the tool of choice. Riding a bike on the road is like rock climbing, or skydiving. It’s inherently risky. You might die. If you choose this, then Don’t bitch about the cars on the road. Rock climbers don’t bitch about how high the mountains are and how unfair gravity is.

    brian eversolebrian eversole16 päivää sitten
  • I ride my ebike on roads where the limit is 50km/h. If you ride where the limit is 80km/h, then you're an idiot

    diggler2002diggler200216 päivää sitten
  • Doesn't the engine cut out at 32km/h in Canada?

    diggler2002diggler200216 päivää sitten
  • In Australia the engine cuts out at 25km/h. You are never going to do the speeds cited in this video. Any impacts will be lower energy. It is arguable there will be less collisions at lower speed. Perhaps 32km/h is the sweeetspot. Any more than that should require a licence.

    diggler2002diggler200216 päivää sitten
  • The title and premise of this video is dishonest. He never clarifies if he is talking about pedal assisted e-bike or electrically accelerated bicycle. This is all about peoples pure negligence to road safety, both vehicle drivers and cyclists. An e-bike is not more dangerous than a motorcycle

    NalexNalex16 päivää sitten
    • I'm not sure what the difference is if any. To me that sounds like PAS sensor or throttle control? I've had a PAS sensor almost kill me, so don't ever use those death traps, and rewired mine so its pedal detect to turn on throttle control (loophole in that state's regulation, if you did it that way you could have unlimited power and speed up to speed limit) In the US there isn't a distinguishing factor, at most they differentiate between electric and gas powered bicycles (if they even consider them bicycles, sometimes they lump them into mopeds depending on state).

      Jake GarrettJake Garrett14 päivää sitten
  • I’ve been saying this since they came out I’m glad someone finally made a video on it. I’ve spent my whole life pedal biking getting my skills up so I can go faster, but anyone can hop on an ebike and go the same speed with zero skill or experience.

    Alex BainbridgeAlex Bainbridge16 päivää sitten
  • I've never been hit on my bicycle but then again I don't ride like I'm in a car like a lot of these idiots do and I grew up in NYC.

    KalissKaliss16 päivää sitten
  • When I used to do a lot of cycling I found there were some car drivers that thought it was funny to knock you off your bike and some belief that cycles don't belong on the road

    David mathewDavid mathew17 päivää sitten
    • As someone that cycles 40km a day to and from work because a vehicle is too expensive for me, I can confirm on this belief. Doesn't matter that I follow every single rule of the road, there are drivers that beep because they can't fly by, scream to get off the road or simply disobey the rules of a roundabout because they see me rolling up to it

      NalexNalex16 päivää sitten
  • I literally just bought a thousand dollar E-Bike.

    Emilio ChavezEmilio Chavez17 päivää sitten
  • Are there any limits on ebike power in the USA then? In the UK assistance is limited to 250watts (iirc) and 25kph (15mph). You can get faster ones but they are classed as vehicles and require licence, insurance, registration and to meet technical standards.

    BazzacudaBazzacuda17 päivää sitten
    • It varies. You have to check with local laws. Texas for example there is no speed limit due to loophole (basically its 20 mph unless pedaling, so I had an Arduino measure pedal sensor and if pedaling allow motor), so there you could do as fast as the speed limit and there was no power restriction, so if you wanted duel wheel drive with 10 HP each go for it! I made that when I moved from Oklahoma since my gas bikes would need to be tagged (in Oklahoma you could go up to 80cc no power limits and you could run nitrous oxide or anything else you desired, but it could only do 35 mph or if you went electric the limit was severely limited to 30 mph and only 1kw), so there gas powered was much less restricted and the way to go. It really varies a lot, like I'm moving to Maryland and its pretty $hit in terms of liberties there and no difference on bikes, its written poorly and conflicting but maybe a pitiful 500w? At that point I think just pedal and I can beat it, I can average over 20 mph for hours easy enough just pedaling, so I think such low power would only slow me down.

      Jake GarrettJake Garrett14 päivää sitten
  • What a great closing statement. Well done.

    Ryan SmithRyan Smith17 päivää sitten
  • "E-bikes" that can hit 30(mph i assume?) in an instant are closer to mopeds/motorcycles than bicycles. In Europe e-bikes can only assist peddling (no throttle), have to cut electric assist at 25kmh (15mph) and are limited to 250w, anything above that is not an ebike anymore and with that comes regulations, insurance, license requirement etc. I used to think these limitations where lame but seeing what kind of lunacy and chaos unlicensed and unregulated 1000W+ "bicycles" create, I'm glad they are in place.

    norginorgi17 päivää sitten
  • I mostly commute with my mostly-illegal diy gas controlled e-bike. I never exceed 30km/h in cities, only going up to 60km/h on long roads. And i do get a lot of looks with my brother's old motorcycle gear on what looks like a mountain bike.

    Elias PiirainenElias Piirainen17 päivää sitten
  • In the uk Electric bikes restricted to 15mph on the road.

    Alan RaynerAlan Rayner17 päivää sitten
    • That's pitiful when I average 20+ mph pedaling lazily on my regular bicycle... My average is like 25 mph, lol! That would only slow me down compared to normal road bike. In the US electric varies a lot, so I've got a few different motorized bikes (some gas power for states that are looser restrictions on those, one electric with Arduino programmed to exploit legal loopholes because one state I was in says 20 mph unless pedaling, so I simply have it check if pedaling then allow throttle control so boom, no power or speed regulation and you can slap motors on both wheels and spin your tires off in smoke if you wanted, lol!)

      Jake GarrettJake Garrett14 päivää sitten
  • Just like cars, motorcycles are more dangerous as a whole. Basically if everyone is commuting by car vs by motorcycle vs by bike, everyone will be safest on bikes. This is really an urban planning issue. We need to redesign cities so there dedicated cycling and ebike paths that can get you everywhere.

    Joseph SmithJoseph Smith17 päivää sitten
  • Well, thats why in Germany E-Bikes are only allowed to go 25kph on the motor itself.

    CryMeCryMe17 päivää sitten
  • Infrastructure isn’t built for bicycles. Hence why the moto was faster. Ebikes should be especially supervised. Yes, more access for people who couldn’t cycle physically but all that comes at a cost. There should be an ebike license including basic biking skills and an understanding of the brakes. Gearwise there should be more legislation. As bikes get more dangerous maybe helmet laws should be enforced.

    KotelettschweissKotelettschweiss17 päivää sitten
  • sad that a few morons ruin electric vehicles for all the responsible riders

    Roger RennengerRoger Rennenger17 päivää sitten
  • How can an ebicycle reach 60 kph?

    Mustafa HusseinMustafa Hussein17 päivää sitten
    • You may need to upgrade or change out the speed controller for higher voltages, but its not very expensive. I checked and its about $30 for me to get up to a 108 or 120v controller, so I could double my voltage and target closer to 80+ kph just buying one of those and adding a second battery in series, however you'll want to wear a motorcycle helmet at those speeds ;)

      Jake GarrettJake Garrett14 päivää sitten
    • Enough power you can go much, much faster. Texas for example has no speed limit due to legal loophole (basically 20 mph unless pedaling), so I had an Arduino measure pedal sensor and if pedaling allow motor. So there you could do as fast as the speed limit and there was no power restriction, so if you wanted duel wheel drive with 10 HP each go for it! For example my bike motor was rated at 1200w and with a 48v rated battery it would do 45 kph right out of the box without pedaling, so if you wanted 60 kph you would want 60kph/45kph = X/48v and solving for X means you would want a 64v rated battery (or higher would be fine just to make sure it could hit 60 kph or higher).

      Jake GarrettJake Garrett14 päivää sitten
  • Limited the power rate should do the job. The real problem is some e bike is just powerful as motorcycle and it still prentend to be harmless pedal bike. May be introduce a daily power cap on the e bike ill sovle the issue. Which is set a cap on how much energy you can use on certain time interval, if you exceed the limite, the ebike will be lock into pedal assist only. So you can raid the bike in full power when necessary but not all the time.

    Jiasun ZhangJiasun Zhang17 päivää sitten
    • Oh yeah mine is also power modified, the controller thinks its 20 amps, but its really 35 amps, haha, so other the simple modification I did to it that I didn't mention above would actually defeat your idea too, and that's a basic shunt resistor mod (people also do the same thing to computers as a fun fact, Nvidia limits the power allowed on newer graphics processors to stupid low levels, so many consumers perform a shunt mod to unlock higher power limits)

      Jake GarrettJake Garrett14 päivää sitten
    • People like me will easily change that, lol! Its funny, in Texas there is no speed limit due to legal loophole (basically 20 mph unless pedaling), so I had an Arduino measure pedal sensor and if pedaling allow motor. There was also no power restriction, so if you wanted duel wheel drive with 10 HP each go for it! That would be such an easy exploit it would be worthless, people already have hidden magnets (wear magnet in your pocket, and it unlocks power like a key, that way if police sit on bicycle it only does 15 mph or whatever the rule is then when you sit on it you have unlocked power and speed), but mine I did a lot of work to make it comply with laws (and exploit loophole) because I try to follow it to the letter, however if I was a normal person I would just keep it illegal because that is so much easier!

      Jake GarrettJake Garrett14 päivää sitten
  • Great ending. A bud just got into a bad accident on a moto this past week. 2 wrist reconstructions and an upper arm reconstruction followed by a relocation of a dislocated shoulder plus bruising everywhere. He T Boned a van that pulled out and froze. They look for cars, not bikes. And yes im getting an e bike and ride a motorcycle.

    Keith MikellKeith Mikell17 päivää sitten
  • Pedocyclists

    Higor GuedesHigor Guedes17 päivää sitten
  • As a cyclist that pedals his way to 35mph or more because of my own strength, I still strongly agree with Nine on this topic, understand the risks, it’s one’s own choice to gear properly for the task at hand, know the consequences for failure with accidents. Please be safe, and as for GOODNESS SAKE make sure you’re looking out for yourself on the road, because not everyone else will..

    Grant VGrant V17 päivää sitten
  • Safety for most road users is 2 way, "how can the environment be made safer" and "how can they learn to be safer". Cyclists are the exception to this where for no sensible reason we ignore the second aspect. In the UK schools could implement cycling proficiency as part of the curriculum, but often choose not to. Instead we have a situation where cyclists are not provided with any support to become safer themselves.

    Jamie MorrisJamie Morris18 päivää sitten
  • One thing tho I feel like my bike has more style than this e stuff

    Slick RickSlick Rick18 päivää sitten
    • Self congratulations to you.

      Gareth RobinsonGareth Robinson17 päivää sitten
  • I have a pedal assist e bike (HaiBike). Love it. Others on bikes riding against traffic, dark clothing puts all at risk

    Keith StewartKeith Stewart18 päivää sitten