What Happened to America's Electronics Stores?

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  • The question of whether Fry's could have been saved is interesting to me. Going to Fry's was a treat for me for a long time. I was an electrical engineer and I'd buy prototyping materials there and over the years I bought computers and appliances there. The last time I went the store was mostly in disarray. The computer department was disorganized and messy. Whoever was running the department seemed to be oblivious to how easy it was to get exactly the model and features you were after on the internet. The camera department was a disaster. They had made no effort to adjust it to the age of smart phones, the snack bar was overpriced and uninteresting. What at one time had been a feature was just one more sign this store was not interested in providing good value for their customers. A few months earlier. I had called to see if a small refrigerator was in stock and when I found out it was I tried to buy it. They wouldn't sell it to me over the phone and they wouldn't hold it for me. The guy I talked to seemed to be proud of the company's annoying policy on this. I did end up buying it but I had to drive 20 miles with the knowledge that it might have been sold by the time I got there. The only thing I saw that was well run in the whole store was the TV department. There was an old guy manning it that had a good knowledge of the TV's they were selling and the department was well organized and clean. So was the store in disarray because it was being run with the knowledge that there was no way to save it or was there no way to save the store because Fry's was being poorly run? I don't know. Probably the large size of the Fry's stores was a big problem for them. There just wasn't enough commonly sold electronic/appliances to fill up that large a store anymore. The smaller Best Buy and Microcenter stores were much better placed to compete in this new environment. Surviving a paradigm change is rare, Fry's was just one more company in a long time that didn't manage to do it. But IMO they had a better shot than Sears of surviving.

    Dave KirkebyDave Kirkeby14 minuuttia sitten
  • 09:11 live fish, this is not funny.

    JoseManJoseMan39 minuuttia sitten
  • I would get over it quicker If I could get a back to the future hover board.

    Tom MTom M54 minuuttia sitten
  • "Unless you count GameStop, which doesn't exactly have a bright future" Careful where you say that on the internet! lol

    ironlion45ironlion45Tunti sitten
  • They prevent photos to not allow criminals to canvas the store layout is another reason I heard. Regardless a business is private property and they get to set any rules they want.

    Michael HuebnerMichael HuebnerTunti sitten
  • Wow, this is such a cool nostalgia trip. This looks just like my childhood malls. I also miss electronics stores. As a side note; some may not know, Babbages is actually Gamestop. They rebranded around 1999. As for their future? It depends if you listen to Reddit, Haha. I mean, I expect that they'll probably go the way of Suncoast, and the musicland stores. but who knows?

    CrnchyToastCrnchyToastTunti sitten
  • Very sad :(

    Scott BoydScott BoydTunti sitten
  • Best buy must gave done something right.

    ken9279ken9279Tunti sitten
  • I hate cell phones. I do not own a cell phone. I still need most of those things in that catalog.

    oldtiedyemanoldtiedyemanTunti sitten
  • There currently is a Radio Shack Store in Orlando, FL that is very similar to their original stores. In fact the owner does not have cell phones in the store. It's nice to have when you need electronics parts.

    Leewhiz HulbertLeewhiz HulbertTunti sitten
  • We still have half of these stores in Houston. Best Buy, Circuit City, MicroCenter. They're clean and efficient but not too healthy.

    R ArbuckleR Arbuckle2 tuntia sitten
  • I worked sales for Circuit City during college. We had trips to the nearby Good Guys to note down their prices. And the first computer my parents bought me was an Apple IIe in Macy's of all places!

    Nome NessunoNome Nessuno2 tuntia sitten
  • I still go to Fry's Electronics.

    Silkwood ArtSilkwood Art3 tuntia sitten
  • Reason number 4 a lot of those stores no longer exist: Private equity shenanigans like leveraged buyouts and corporate raiding.

    axmajpayneaxmajpayne3 tuntia sitten
  • I miss radio shack, great store

    4 Dogs Gaming4 Dogs Gaming3 tuntia sitten
  • In Australia Radio Shack traded as Tandy Electronics, a rival to the Australian local company Dick Smith Electonics. Both these companies were brought by Woolworths and by 2012 all Tandy stores were closed (Dick Smith Electronics [later just called Dick Smiths] closed its last physical store in 2016). I can remember growing up as a kid, going to my local Tandy's store playing on the TRS-80, COCO, and the RC toys.

    David RichardsonDavid Richardson3 tuntia sitten
  • totally with you on all that, sir!... GenXers had a unique growing-up experience witnessing the end and beginning of SO MANY tech-eras...

    Matt BlatchleyMatt Blatchley3 tuntia sitten
  • We had a Tilt at our local mall in the Metro Detroit area. It took over the Family Arcade location. As for electronics we do have a MicroCenter but that's the only one pretty much left. Suncoast, Recordtown, Sam Goody, Software, Etc. Palco Electronics and many more used to populate our local malls and shopping centers. I sure do miss smell of commerce in morning. 12:15 Taco Bell in fact did this. Their menu has been completely neutered. 😥🖖

    MichiganJackMichiganJack4 tuntia sitten
  • Very good - I lived through exactly what you mentioned :) I miss going into CompUSA weekly, and stopping at the Radio Shack on my way back home. I did a LOT of Catalog shopping (still do today with Jameco), but all I have for electronics and computers is Micro Center (they have a Radio Shack knock-off section there too), however I believe they only have about 4 or 5 years life left in them :(

    PE4DoersPE4Doers4 tuntia sitten
  • we'll return to the world of walking through stores like that when VR becomes mainstream, we can have virtual malls with any virtual good displayed like a physical store

    AfonsodelCBAfonsodelCB4 tuntia sitten
  • Uhhh, those are jobs, from part time, entry full time, to various levels of management opportunities gone. I hear Amazons hiring...

    Eric MuschlitzEric Muschlitz4 tuntia sitten
    • You gotta understand, it’s 20%-30% of the economy gone, that was made up for by gross concentrations of wealth increases creating the appearance of flatter gdp.

      Eric MuschlitzEric Muschlitz4 tuntia sitten
  • Regarding blockbusters i still wonder if people have old DVD's that they could not return due their bankruptcy, and some agency buying up old collection fee's and trying to get someone to pay that late fee on a blockbuster DVD. still fighting in court and spending millions to get a 10$ fee

    darknessbladedarknessblade4 tuntia sitten
  • did you not realize at the time that security taking your film is illegal and act of theft? you should have sued

    BIG BEEFBIG BEEF5 tuntia sitten
  • Fry's sucks

    A WA W5 tuntia sitten
  • Aww, man, I got the majority of my Ghibli films from Suncoast. Man they were expensive.

    danceswithdirtdanceswithdirt5 tuntia sitten
  • I would ague that it is the absence of the mystery and novelty of electronics which has driven these stores into extinction. Electronic products are now largely commoditized. The majority of people who buy these products are no longer amazed by the idea of the product only by its function. Generally they don't have to touch them or see them before they make a purchase decision. When the age of smart phones was realized didn't stores have a wide selection with staff pushing the features? What do we have now only the Apple store still using that formula? Yes, the smart phone encompassed a lot of the previous functionality but these companies were also out of touch with the changing culture.

    Ronald WalcottRonald Walcott5 tuntia sitten
  • I'm pretty sure Fry's just bought out Incredible Universe outright. They moved into a LOT of former IU spaces, including the first Fry's I ever found, which was in Fishers IN. The themed Fry's, though were the coolest. The two I saw were the one in Arizona (Phoenix, I think), which was decorated with a sort of dessert (probably faux) native American motif and the one in Burbank CA, which was decked out with statues and stuff to look like the site of a 1950s sci-fi alien invation. Also, Though it was several years ago, The Galleria Mall has the best arcade I've seen in over a decade.

    AustynSNAustynSN5 tuntia sitten
  • In NW Illinois we had Highland Superstore, Fretter, Silo for electronic stores which seemed to just disappear overnight.

    Noah DouglasNoah Douglas6 tuntia sitten
  • mentions every big electronic store in the us and leaves out microcenter, which I get, it's the last thriving electronic store today because it sells a variety of different things aside from electronics, mainly office things like desks, chairs, binders, etc. tbh I believe they are the last thriving one because they sell things that any electronic obsessed person would want, every time I go in there it's just got so many things that I want, and most of the time need, so for I've mostly gone to microcenter for hobbyist electronics because it seems that the parts I want or need for a project are massively over priced on sites like amazon because sellers just want to fuck the consumer. I found it so much easier to go into the store and look for what I want and be able to verify that, yes, this is indeed what I am looking for.

    JackieJackie6 tuntia sitten
  • I rented a video game and I took the security sticker off. You know the kind that sets off alarms. I put it in my step brothers hat and and had him return the game. It was hidden under the flap and wasn't visible with the hat off. He kept going through the alarm system and it kept going off. They searched him 4 or 5 times. They practically strip searched him. It was funny as hell I was outside laughing my ass off.

    wantsome7655wantsome76556 tuntia sitten
  • Glad to see 8-Bit guy back after the flooding in Texas. Hope all is well. Look forward to more videos. Always found your POV to be fun and informative.

    Paul's CCNAPaul's CCNA6 tuntia sitten
  • Maybe some kind of VR based electronics shopping experience could be a solution!

    SwiperVahnSwiperVahn7 tuntia sitten
  • I remember radio shack when it carried parts and kits that allowed you to build electronic products. Back then they only carried most of the pre-built electronics during the Christmas season.

    Bill LyellBill Lyell7 tuntia sitten
  • Incompetent management. I am surprised they (Fry’s) have not gone out of business sooner... .

    SuperZero!SuperZero!7 tuntia sitten
  • No mention of Best Buy?

    Brandon RosalesBrandon Rosales8 tuntia sitten
  • Oh man, about a year ago my mom handed me a box of old computer stuff from their house. In it, among other things, was my copy of King's Quest IV, which I bought at that very Babbages at the Parks, as well as my copy of Thexder, which I bought at the Radio Shack in the strip mall on the other side of Fielder from my parent's neighborhood. Got a lot of memories of time and quarters wasted in that Tilt, too. Not really relevant to thing computer related, but The Parks was pretty radical at the time it opened not only for the open, airy design with lots of natural light, but also the central food court. In relatively short order, almost all the other malls in the area underwent some sort of massive remodel to allow in more light and centralize the foodservice. It's kind of shame that you didn't (or maybe couldn't) include a shot of Six Flags Mall in its original psuedo-brutalist decor with the dark brick arches and unfinished concrete ceiling. Anyway, great work as usual.

    Heywood JablomieHeywood Jablomie8 tuntia sitten
  • I think it is because video recording technology was relatively new and store owners were probably suspicious of why you would want to document their store, in case you were after the layout, where the cash register is, exits and entrances and various information that can help you break in and enter and steal their products. Nowadays this isn't so much an issue because everyone uses their phones and even store owners are aware of what the tech is being used for, so are much more undrestanding. I've noticed I still get looks and suspicious glances if I take photos inside a liquor store or smaller, local convenience stores.

    Thanh NguyenThanh Nguyen8 tuntia sitten
  • My own alternate ending to Short Circuit: Johnny Five is damaged and dying. He breaks into a Radio Shack for the vital components he needs to survive. He reaches his hand to a tag that says, "Sorry, we're all out". 😔 Johnny Five lets put a cry and dies right there. End of movie, role credits, it's a sad 😪 ending. There will be no sequel.

    Richard VasquezRichard Vasquez8 tuntia sitten
  • Who cares where the electronics stores have gone! Those bastards been ripping us off for years, good riddance.

    Eric OftedahlEric Oftedahl8 tuntia sitten
  • Same in Russia. It is pity - you could buy almost everything on-line. But many things you want to look and touch before buying. MoBo don't need to be touched, but computer case, monitor, keyboard, mouse need this. And they don't have anything "in the shop", you order, pay on-line and pickup...

    blacklion79blacklion799 tuntia sitten
  • The sad truth indeed!!

    jaxmk1jaxmk19 tuntia sitten
  • Maplin was the only Electronics Store in the uk that i know off but maplin has gone fully online now

    Kieran jonesKieran jones9 tuntia sitten
  • I’m calling it now - They are going to use VR in the near future to make you feel like you’re browsing the isles of your favorite store once again.

    Rob MirskyRob Mirsky9 tuntia sitten
  • I miss chunk style diarrhea

    rsvp9146rsvp91469 tuntia sitten
  • I would also add, declining birth rate.

    Ronin TraineeRonin Trainee10 tuntia sitten
  • you've gotta offer service. that's why microcenter does so well. you get instant access to kids that know their stuff, a great service department, and friendly but not too friendly return policy. at least the one in DTC in CO is that way.

    Andrew EvansAndrew Evans10 tuntia sitten
  • ...and anyone remember the primarily West Coast chain called Egghead Software? When I was working at JPL, we'd go to the local Pasadena, CA store over lunch and buy shrink-wrapped software on floppy disks. That chain had a quick liftoff in the mid-1980's to apogee and then an almost-as-quick descent to oblivion by the end of the century. The entire lifecycle was about 15 years. Seems odd today to even think about buying something on a half-dozen or more disks and hoping that one of those fragile disks didn't go bad before you finished installing the software. I also remember a major purchase by JPL of WordPerfect 5.1 and watching the tractor-trailer rig arrive at JPL carrying pallets of shrink-wrapped copies of WordPerfect (circa 1989). WordPerfect 5.1 was the crown jewel of DOS word processing software (and still is very much alive in the legal profession and in government where it's functionality for those areas in the 21st Century still beats MS Word). Great video! 😊

    John CJohn C10 tuntia sitten
  • You can live without smartphone. My mobile phone is not a smartphone. It enables me to call and receive calls, to dial and receive text messages. I'm very happy about it. And I still buy DVDs. Mostly in shops.

    thierrydesuthierrydesu10 tuntia sitten
  • 1980s: Go into an electronic store for free and pay money for the merchandise. 2080s: Go into an electronic store theme park and pay money to get in but browse around and pretend like you're having a real shopping experience for free.

    ZXNOVAZXNOVA11 tuntia sitten
  • Thanks for the great video, it really brought back some memories. My first Job out of college was working for Computer City, I then went to work for a small mom and pop computer company, Software Gallery, assembling desktops from off the shelf components. I laughed when you mentioned the no camera issue, one of my responsibilities when I worked for Software Gallery was to get the fliers from all the local stores and copy their systems and price them 2-3% lower. Later I worked for CompUSA in their educational corporate sales. i then managed the IT for a large retailer called "Creativity". From there I worked for Bellcore (Bell Communications and Research). All these companies are long out of business. I really wonder about where todays kids are getting their first jobs now that brick and mortar retail seems to be dead.

    John DalyJohn Daly11 tuntia sitten
  • It must be sad that literally all the companies you knew are closed now.

    Corsa15DTCorsa15DT11 tuntia sitten
  • CLocks too haven't aged, there are still in use.

    Corsa15DTCorsa15DT11 tuntia sitten
  • Suncoast and Columbia House, my overpriced gateways to anime. $22.99 for 3 episodes! Terrible times.

    YakBatYakBat11 tuntia sitten
  • old prop looked way better, this looks like a nice bathroom

    DivinA ADivinA A12 tuntia sitten
  • I need portable stereo system to listen to radio in my home.

    Corsa15DTCorsa15DT12 tuntia sitten
  • Re: taking pics/video instore: I used to work in a large bookstore that has a massive childrens section. There was no security officers or anything and taking pictures wasn't allowed as per corporate, but for the most part I let people get on with it except the childrens department. That went double after I watched a guy walk in on his own, walk directly to the kids dept and started taking pictures. I threw him out and he never came back again. As for why an electronic store wouldn't allow it, it's likely a case of the idiotic "because I said so" mentality the simps usually go for.

    trelardtrelard12 tuntia sitten
  • The other reason the electronics stores are gone is because the people who were able to build and understand how things work no longer get trained there were thousands of people working for telephone companies who were highly trained now they they have a few computer programmers who do not know how to build or fix their own computer and the others get a few weeks training on very simple tasks in, other industries its very much the same.

    bascomnextionbascomnextion13 tuntia sitten
  • This no photo nonsense still exist even today. Its beyond stupid.

    Corsa15DTCorsa15DT13 tuntia sitten
  • I was born in the mid 90s and experienced the tail end of the electronics store era as a kid and teen. I still just as you do feel nostalgia for going in person to just gaze at the rows of gizmos and electronics. I miss radio shack too, and Fry's, and compUSA, luckily we still have microcenter and best buy but for how long?... who knows. I never thought I'd be made witness to such drastic change in just 25 years on this earth yet here I sit. Crazy.

    Eric ChristianEric Christian13 tuntia sitten
  • Their windows are now plywood magnets

    quartytypoquartytypo13 tuntia sitten
  • cauculator, who needs that? school kids!

    S_hach23 - Memes and GamingS_hach23 - Memes and Gaming15 tuntia sitten
  • KB toys was the only place I can remember seeing Commodore 64 software on sale.

    Guy FellowsGuy Fellows16 tuntia sitten
  • I'm sorry for posting a completely off topic post, but when I got my first job after high school, which was a 7-11 in Lewisville Texas, you came in and it was one of the coolest things in my life. I was too scared of getting in trouble by my job-trainer, but I really appreciated you coming by. I haven't seen you in person since, but it was a high-light of my life and I really appreciate what you do on your channel

    Generic friend #256Generic friend #25618 tuntia sitten
  • Sad but true every store mentioned here I have shopped at and I miss them dearly! Don't get me wrong I'm with I enjoy online shopping and the convenience of a smart phone but shopping the old fashion way was a way out of the house and something to do! Go places look at things even if you didn't buy anything you held it in your hand and thought about buying it! Never again. Seems like all the stores I enjoyed as a kid are gone. I'm with ya!

    J BearssJ Bearss19 tuntia sitten
  • In some ways, it's the brick and mortar retail era that was the real aberration. While large department stores obviously existed prior to the 70s and 80s, catalog shopping was a huge sector of retail business. That sort of went by the wayside with the advent of shopping malls. And now the digital version of catalog shopping has supplanted the shopping mall. We've sort of reverted back to the OLD old way. Personally, I feel lucky to have grown up in the 70s and 80s. It was a great time to be a kid.

    HelzapoppinHelzapoppin19 tuntia sitten
  • Did your area have TechAmerica? Would think Tandy would have one in DFW.

    Nate's Random VideosNate's Random Videos20 tuntia sitten
  • I read an article that posited that the ipad was obsolete and was on its way out. It read that they had invented the technology for it before they iphone. But then sales boomed that Christmas. Hell, I got one for my wife.

    RhythmiconsRhythmicons20 tuntia sitten
  • We had that Panasonic cordless phone. 5:28 I had the Garfield Telephone too. Funny story: It rang once, I answered, nothing. Hung up. It rang again, I answered, nothing. Rang again, I answered, Nothing..."F You then!" It turns out it was my mother calling.

    RhythmiconsRhythmicons20 tuntia sitten
  • Let's talk about that...when corporations decided more on greed for profit the top controlling entities decided to close shop in America and move overseas. This removed our technological edge and gave it to foreign countries. This caused us to rely on them for electronics. This greedy bastards screwed the whole country. The same goes for all tools except one company. We depend on foreign countries, caused by corporate greed.

    William GallantWilliam Gallant20 tuntia sitten
  • _Toys Are Us_ might have disappeared in the US but they're still alive and kicking in Canada.

    jackdeathjackdeath21 tunti sitten
  • Man those old magazines are gold,great memories

    Sirmi98Sirmi9821 tunti sitten
  • Computer City sounds like the fakest name ever 😂 Like from a TV show or movie lol

    Digga DirtDigga Dirt21 tunti sitten
  • We loved KB Toys!

    BIG BAD DIVASBIG BAD DIVAS23 tuntia sitten
  • Are we not going to talk about the fish?

    JD BloodstoneJD Bloodstone23 tuntia sitten
  • i miss radio shack

    hairycathairycat23 tuntia sitten
  • I loved this place ...I hate bestbuy

    j lj lPäivä sitten
  • Wow someone else remembers Best catalog store.

    spikey911usaspikey911usaPäivä sitten
  • Tilt was not like any arcade shown in War Games; as I recall he played Galaga at a fast food dinner. But the image you showed may have been from the Terminator movie.

    John HermannJohn HermannPäivä sitten
  • Radio Shack which then turned into "The Source by Circuit City" then into "The source"... wait that's only for us Canadians.

    evileyeballevileyeballPäivä sitten
  • We became vampire especially kids today. No wonder soo much bad thing happening in today. Next to be gone is outdoor dining and movies theaters. I am 200% already prepare for the next wave of changes. 1. I got myself home theater system full projector with wifi movie streaming. 2. Mobile games and PC. 3. Everybody is now FIbothr.

    MaskHero ZoMaskHero ZoPäivä sitten
  • That background is really triggering my anxiety...

    JPlayzX01 // Propcouti StudiosJPlayzX01 // Propcouti StudiosPäivä sitten
  • I started my career at RadioShack. Went on to VideoConcepts... got out of electronics with my hair on fire! But it was fun at its peak!

    john3kbsjohn3kbsPäivä sitten
  • I've been to that mall in the opening

    cave johnsoncave johnsonPäivä sitten
  • It’s not exactly the same thing, but here in the Bay Area we still have Best Buy and Rasputin Music

    Eduardo VasquezEduardo VasquezPäivä sitten
  • You didn't mention Lafayette Radio Electronics. A place I used to shop quite often. I think another reason for the decline in electronics stores is that there seem to be fewer electronics hobbyists. Most of the stores you mentioned sold complete end items. However some, like Lafayette and Radio Shack, also sold components (Resistors, capacitors, etc.) and kits. It doesn't seem as many people are into the build-your-own nowadays.

    Buncha BaloneyBuncha BaloneyPäivä sitten
  • Cool video. I own a PXL 2000 works great. its a bit modded

    David HollidayDavid HollidayPäivä sitten
  • Wow, what a trip down memory lane.

  • What Happened to America's Electronics Stores? Capitalism happened, that incentivised capitalists to bugger off to nations where labor and production costs were cheaper, both selling out their originator nations and destroying millions of lives and communities of those left behind, capitalism is the reason you lost all those stores and so many more, it is the very reason America has a rust belt, that the idiot Trump was ever elected, and it the reason your streets will continue to catch fire with ever greater frequency as its ever compounding failures slam into the lives of an ever growing number being made to pay the price for capitalism failures so that 20 people can have more wealth and resources than the bottom 4 billion people combined. All while the media across the political landscape that is owned by the same handful of capitalists tell y'all to blame "insert minority/other of choice" top keep the masses divided against each other rather than united against what capitalism has incentivises capitalists to do all workers and their communities.

    ArmyOfAllArmyOfAllPäivä sitten
  • Radio shack still sold some electronic components in Pittsburgh when I was in college in 99. I miss that RadioShack.

    Eric HartmanEric HartmanPäivä sitten
  • Suncoast was where I went for anime back then.

    Pete BrownPete BrownPäivä sitten
  • Hello! I'm a big fan of this channel and was hoping you could help me out with a mystery! My Yamaha PSS-590 seems to activate and off-the-chart sound when I use program change number 100 on any channel but the 16... Could you (or any of you guys) help me figure out if there are more hidden sounds on this classic AWM little gem?

    Pedro FreirePedro FreirePäivä sitten
  • RIP Fry's...I loved wandering around there on a Sunday afternoon just to kill time : (

    Jason BillingsleyJason BillingsleyPäivä sitten
  • Holy triangles batman, what is that wall.

    Color Me TwistedColor Me TwistedPäivä sitten
  • I stop my patreon for this guy. He barely produce two video per month. Always trying to find some excuses and quality of content become sloppy to say at least

    Alexandre IteonAlexandre IteonPäivä sitten
  • Technically, Babbages and Electronics Boutique still exist. They are called GameStop now. Babbage's by nature of mergers and acquisitions (Software Etc., and Funco got acquired by Barnes and Noble and merged) became GameStop who then bought out Electronic Boutique (EB Games at that point).

    ChazerChazerPäivä sitten
  • You should do an episode about 70s-80s forgotten video media, like the VHD, CED, Laserdisk. Would be cool to hear you talk about them.

    Splandrocity8000Splandrocity8000Päivä sitten
  • I agree on almost every point, but I won't miss buying that full priced game, for your hard earned paperboy money, boot it up just to realize it sucks.

    JoliieJoliiePäivä sitten
  • My guess as why they didn't want pictures taken? They wanted to thwart reporters to gaining information on their operation, or wanted to reduce the potential for the generation of evidence admissible in court for anything the store was trying to get away with. Edit: Ahoy and Compute's Gazette!

    John HarrisJohn HarrisPäivä sitten
  • I was going to make an sophomoric joke but this isn't that kind of FIboth comment section

    ewrooneyewrooneyPäivä sitten
  • Another big reason these stores have failed is they're stuck in the 90s. You can't get Arduino or modern "hacker" stuff. And if they do sell the stuff, it's very limited and overpriced. Better off buying online.

    Andrew SaturnAndrew SaturnPäivä sitten